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07/23/2007 10:33 AM  

Goodbye America, Hello North American Union

Monday, July 16, 2007

In a month, August 20 and 21, the leaders of the United States, Canada, and Mexico will sit down together in Montebello, Quebec to discuss making the borders between these three nations disappear. They will discuss progress on a vast highway project passing through America to link Mexico with Canada.

So far, no one has asked the citizens of these three nations whether they want to do this. It is not up for a vote in Congress and, indeed, Congress has no supervision over the gnomes in the U.S. Department of Commerce who are busily "harmonizing" the laws under the auspices of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

This, we're told, is not a treaty so Congress has no constitutional oversight obligation. I guess it's more like a nice big handshake between the presidents and prime minister of these three nations who, let's face it, just know better than the rest of us. I mean, do Canadians really think they're in charge of Canada? Americans should have a say about programs affecting America? Or has anyone asked Mexicans if they want to be part of some "harmonized" configuration not unlike the European Union?

Last time I checked, the European Union lacked a constitution because some of its member states, notably France, had rejected the one that was offered. The Constitutions of the United States, Canada and Mexico are about three sovereign states determining their own regulations and laws. So far, fourteen U.S. States have passed resolutions in their respective and sovereign legislatures directing the federal government to abandon further activities involving SPP.

Part of the opposition is directed at what is generally called the NAFTA Superhighway; an exceptionally wide corridor that would include rail lines, freeways, and pipelines from Mexico to the Canadian border. The Texas legislature passed a law intended to slow down the highway project with a two-year moratorium. The vote in the Texas House was 137-2. The Texas Senate passed it with only four votes in opposition, but the Governor vetoed it in late June, thus opening the door to the seizure of the private property needed for the Trans Texas Corridor (TCC).

Turns out that Texas had already signed a 50-year lease with a private Spanish company named Cintra, one that permits for no competition by way of building new government roads or improving existing ones going in the same direction.

Why are we not surprised to know that SPP was kicked off in 2005 by a meeting in Crawford, Texas of the then-presidents of the three nations hosted by President George W. Bush, a former Governor of Texas?

Bush has been a leading proponent of the "immigration reform" legislation that more than two-thirds of Americans polled say they do not want. Tucked into those "reforms" were provisions to advance SPP. A Teddy Kennedy amendment to S. 1348 asserts that, "It is the sense of the Congress that the United States and Mexico should accelerate the implementation of the Partnership for Prosperity to help generate economic growth and improve the standard of living in Mexico, which will lead to reduced immigration." Oh, yeah? And here I thought the economic well being of Mexico was the job of the Mexican government.

As this is written, the President and the Congress have the lowest popularity ratings ever. Perhaps it has something to do with a secretive process involving the highest levels of government and a consortium of multinational corporations who are eager for the nation-busting North American Union and the superhighway?

Indeed, "secretive" is the mode of operation for SPP from the beginning. Last year, from September 12 to 14, a gathering sponsored by something called the North American Forum, brought together some very powerful people, but the media was not informed about it, nor has a list of attendees been available. One Canadian commentator has written that, "There is no better indication that these meetings and the SPP itself, constitute a parallel governing structure—unaccountable to any democratic institution or the public."

This is not the way America, Canada, and presumably, Mexico, is supposed to be governed. The public outcry against the proposed immigration reform bill was enough to kill it in its present form.

In his book, "The Late Great U.S.A." ($25.95, WND Books), Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D., warns that, "There are movements afoot in Mexico, Canada, and the United States, similar to those in Europe that led to the formation of the European Union that, if left unchecked, will erode U.S. sovereignty and lead to a North American Union."

Perhaps when Congress begins to raise our taxes, authorize a superhighway, and offer yet another amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, the American people may take notice and want to do something about it. By then, however, it will be too late.

That's what President Bush is counting on. Meanwhile, he has a big calendar counting down the days to January 20, 2008 when he can start cashing in on having sold out the rest of us.


by Alan Caruba

www.FreeMarketNews.com

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07/24/2007 5:57 AM  
Two things. First, international agreements between sovereign nations do not necessarily erode the sovereignty of those nations (they are free to withdraw if they choose). Second, the whole paranoia about this "North American Union" seems to derive from a position paper by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) that proposed securing the North American border and then opening the borders between the US, Canada, and Mexico.

Aside from the fact that a position paper is not the same thing as policy (it is just one suggestion for how to proceed with policy, and I'm fairly certain that there have been more position papers that have advocated the exact opposite of what the CFR proposed), it should be abundantly clear that the US is currently adopting a much different policy than what the CFR proposed. Just this year, a new policy was implemented that, for the first time in at least a century, required passports for some kinds of travel between the US and Canada (also Mexico and all the other places where you used to be able to travel without proof of citizenship). This is a clear indication that the current intent of the government is to firmly secure our nation's borders and leave our neighbors out of the question.

If any North American Union was ever established, I would be very surprised if it included Mexico. Ultimately, people are not generally opposed to greater openness with Canada (those socialist pigs!), but so many people harbor a deep hatred of Mexico and Mexicans that I can't see them agreeing to an open border between our countries like one might find these days in Europe. Besides, I don't really trust Mexico's ability to seal their own border from potential threats.
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07/24/2007 2:31 PM  
You know I do not believe gravity really exists. The whole issue began with the nutcase Issac Newton. Have you ever seen gravity? If SPP isn't being implemented why did Ted Kennedy insert as part of the Immigration bill a part encouraging the US to speed up its implementation? Why is Texas going ahead with the so called NAFTA highway even though its congress passed a bill opposing it. It is easy to be a nay sayer. There is a large body of evidence about this program and its stealy implementation. All you posted was your uninformed opinion. Give me a break.
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07/24/2007 9:48 PM  
You know I do not believe gravity really exists.

Very clever. You make a good point. I merely addressed one preposterous argument about the creation of a NAU. I essentially discounted the SPP as the recipient of projected paranoia from the CFR, which I still think that it is.

It appears to me that the CFR and SPP are trying to improve foreign trade (presumably under the assumption that the free transfer of goods helps the economy, or at least the consumers). They are generally being frustrated by the draconian border security measures being implemented these days (as are all of the first-time travelers who have to wait 4 months for their passports), but clearly the winds are not blowing their way these days. What they do offer for us is the hope that, when (if) things cool off in this war on terror, there are forces that will be pushing for more open travel between our countries, and in the meantime, there will be people working to maintain our relationships with our neighbors. It's something to look forward to.
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07/25/2007 12:21 PM  
Do you not think that I can grasp your intentions or meaning? I suggest that you do a little more research before you declare something a paranoid fantasy. Have you ever heard of a smoke screen? Do you not think that many people in power (especially unelected bureaucrats) do not know how to manipulate the news and draw attention away from their real plans and activities. Denying that something exists without even looking into it plays right into their hands. Again. there is plenty of proof of their goals and all you have to do is remove the scales from your eyes.
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07/30/2007 9:14 PM  

But you have failed to provide *sufficent* proof. The construction of a highway or the harmonisation of laws is not proof of any conspiracy in the background to undermine the sovereignty of 3 nations in order to create 1 unelected undemocratic despotic superstate. In fact, you haven't given anything near what would be required to make that assertion even somewhat probable.

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07/31/2007 5:47 PM  

You seem to think that I have to comply with your idea of standards or proof. I leave that up to the reader to do their own research. I am simply pointing them in a given direction.

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08/03/2007 2:14 PM  
You seem to think that I have to comply with your idea of standards or proof.


Well, I just hope you didn't operate under this sort of empirical philosophy while you were a chemist.
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