Submit your site


   Login
 
 
Forum Rules
  • This is a moderated forum, all posts will be checked for bad language and composition.
  • Before you post in the information section, make sure the information you add is fully accurate.
  • All posts within the local and national policy sections must be factually correct and substantively debatable.
  • Feel free to be provocative or even politically incorrect, within the rules set.
  • No threats, sexual or racist remarks of any nature will be tolerated. Any posts that violate these common sense rules will be removed. Your account may also be suspended after so many violations.
  • Creating multiple accounts and pretending to be someone else will result in instant termination of all accounts. We check up on all accounts / IP addresses frequently. You must register and login in order to post within the forums. Your information will not be given out or sold for mailing lists. The register and login section is at the top right. You can also register or login here.
Subject: Joe Dulin and Facts
Prev Next
You are not authorized to post a reply.

Author Messages
Gunrights
Posts:665
Senior User
Senior User
Online Status:User is Offline
Intergalactic Multi Phase Dementsion

05/03/2006 11:15 AM  

A CALL TO ACTION!

Joe Dulin and Facts

            It is very difficult to analyze ones own thought processes. That is because we all make assumptions which seem totally logical and therefore factual. I used to be a radical. That is a liberal on steroids. It has taken me a long time to realize how many emotional arguments I made. That is, not an objective analysis or a factual but one based upon emotional assumptions. In today’s Herald Mr. Dulin makes a number of simlar assumptions which he then treats as facts. First he doesn’t tell us the Republicans who made the statement that we should look at per student speeding differently, but spends a great deal of space ridiculing their logic. Now comes a whopper. Mr. Dulin states as fact that there is an “obvious correlation between  education(sic) funding and income earned by the products of an inferior educational system.” Where are the facts for this argument? It should be easy to make such a correlation if it exists. Simply compare the amount of money spent per pupil to the average income per person. I have never seen any facts to support this argument. In fact, there have been a number of studies which indicate otherwise, including testing scores, which would be a stronger argument if it were true. What I submit is true is that our educational system is a complete failure. Americans spend a great deal more money on education than other countries yet get a much poorer return on their investment. John Stossel has written some very informative op-ed piece on this matter. Many Northern European countries spend far less than America yet constantly test higher on performance.

            The Democratic Party has as one of its greatest supporters the NEA and other teacher unions. They make very considerable contributions to the coffers of Democratic Candidates every election cycle. Therefore they are very beholding to their union and try and protect traditional educational formats and teachers jobs.

 Let’s look at Kansas City as an example. A Federal Judge assumed control of the laceName w:st="on">Kansas CitylaceName> laceType w:st="on">School districtlaceType> in an infamous ruling that the city was providing an inferior education. He ordered the district to spend billions more on education. The school bureaucrats renovated school buildings, adding enormous gyms, on Olympic swimming pool, a robotics lab, TV studios, a zoo, a planetarium and wildlife sanctuary. They also added intense instruction on foreign languages and the list goes on. Do you think this increased student performance? Of course not, it got worse, but Mr. Dulin seems to have missed this example. In a comparison of public schools vs. Catholic schools in three New York City boroughs. Parochial schools outperformed the city schools in every category and did it with have the money spent by the city!!! There are many more examples of this but you get the idea. Homeschoolers consistently test as well or better than any public educational students at a fraction of the cost. As long as people are stuck thinking in the usual boxes we will continue to make the same mistakes over and over.

Peace 

             

 

mulhollandj
Posts:230
Senior User
Senior User
Online Status:User is Offline


05/03/2006 2:10 PM  
I agree completely with you on this one (You might want to record it in your journal or something). Liberals do use emotional arguements which ultimately don't make sense. Who needs proof? Proof is for wimps. Money does not mean better education. In CT they spend and waste massive amounts of money. Of course Joe chose to ignore the more obvious factor of family involvment which is why Utah does quite well.
Sound1
Posts:27
Junior User
Junior User
Online Status:User is Offline


05/03/2006 11:19 PM  

Hello John and everyone!  Sorry I haven't replied lately.  I have been swamped.  Isn't it a warm feeling when everyone agrees?  I agree completely with both of you.  More money does not always fix the problems we have with our education system.  In the Cache School District we seem to bond every few years and the money never gets to the students.  Alot of it seems to be going for non-academic purposes like athletics, etc. 

You are not authorized to post a reply.



ActiveForums 3.7